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Merrie_England
PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:52 am  Reply with quote



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I notice that the line the wheel rolls in on Heely's (at least on all the models I have) is not actually the way beginners imagine it would be, which causes them a little difficulty for the first few moments until they realise and point their toes slightly inwards to go straight.

See, when most people walk or even stand at rest, the toes seem to naturally point slightly outwards with the feet in a V, nowhere near as bad as Charlie Chaplain of course but a little bit that way. So the way the Heelys wheel points more towards the little toe than the big toe makes the first tentative efforts at heeling a little more difficult, and this might be partly why turning left is easier if you heel "leftie" (left leg in front) and vice versa.

However, I realise that this design is not without it's benefits, namely, making it easier to crabwalk: the wheels being pointed sligtly outwards means that you don't have to spread your legs quite as far.

So, I was wondering, is the wheel angle the same on all Heelys, or are some wheel-bays angled more outwards than others, making crabwalk even easier? Smile

And of course, in contrast, are some Heely's wheel bays aligned to make the wheel point more inwards than others, making bloodstain rolling easier?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:35 pm  Reply with quote



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You know... I thought you were gnutz till my Gelato's arrived. They are without a doubt aligned different than my Torches and Rumbles. I laced em up, strapped em on, and went for a push when I realized my front foot wasn't going where I wanted it to.

Hmmmmm???

Conspiracy???

My old Atomics felt fine. When I went to Torches, they felt fine. Maybe like it was a natural progression. Now I go back to FATS (for 2 reasons... I like Gelatos and I wanted to try rolling low profile again) and they just feel weird.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:34 pm  Reply with quote



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DeezUU wrote:
You know... I thought you were gnutz till my Gelato's arrived. They are without a doubt aligned different than my Torches and Rumbles.


Well I wasn't suggesting that any model's I'd tried had a different rolling angle Smile I was just asking if anyone knew any models where the rolling angle did vary, so I suppose you did inadvertently provide one possible answer to my question Smile

Here, perhaps pics will help explain what I mean:

When you walk, or even just stand "at rest" your toes usually point slightly outwards at an angle of (say) about 20 degrees, like this:



And when people put on Heelys for the very first time, they almost invariably step into a roll with their toes STILL pointing slightly outwards, like this:



Of course, this means the back leg will be forced outwards and they'll have to end their roll. The angle heely wheels are normally designed to roll at is at odds with the angle humans usually hold their feet at for walking. Of course, it only takes a second for me to point out that their back foot is coming out because it's still "angled out for walking" and then the beginner heeler can work on correcting that, but they wouldn't need to if the wheel bays were aligned more naturally to the way people stand.

We've all learned to roll by pointing our toes INWARDS to get the wheels in line, kinda like this, but with feet one behind the other, not side by side (unless you're doing AOD):



See how we've had to over-correct by angling our toes inwards just to get the wheels rolling in the same line? But there's no reason why we should need to do that. All it would take is a little design correction on the part of HSL: What they could do, is (forgive the very poor hasty edit job) fit the wheels pointing slightly more inwards, like this:



This would make bloodstain tricks slightly easier, but make crabwalk slightly harder - which is about right because with the wheel is currently angled bloodstain is a lot harder than the crabwalk, and this would correct that imbalance.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:05 pm  Reply with quote



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I think the design wasn't meant for stability doing tricks, but stability just heeling.

Going staight would require more effort keeping your feet in a weird pattern.

Then again, why would they vary the models?

Honestly, it may just be a design flaw. No two things are ever alike. You have to put glue to hold the wheel bay in. The glue is probably hot (cold glue would adhere to the machine and I doubt HSL has sweat shops). The hot glue could warp the rubber and it cools down weird. Now if each shoe was the same and the patterned varied by model (Tevos point slightly more outward then Zevos), that could could be a design concept. Change the colors, but change the wheel base as well.

Now that I am interested, I am wondering if it would be possible to manually tweak the wheel bays for custom performance... Anyone with enough time and disposable shoes should definately try it...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:30 pm  Reply with quote
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thats weird Deez!

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it looks like it kinda works the same way as freelining (though not as much, I've never measured the angle). On freelines, the platforms are angled outward from the arrangement of the wheels, for a more natural ride.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:55 pm  Reply with quote
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I would not buy Heelys with the wheels tilted like that.

ME, your analysis compares the heels to the whole foot, NOT to the heel itself. They're perfectly 90 degrees with respect to the local area of the heel.

Learning how to point your heels straight ahead is a lot easier than learning to point them *just so* in order to go straight.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:53 pm  Reply with quote
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I've only ever noticed the difference when the wheel is alot more front or back, not more to any side though. Just like on rumbles, ninjas, furys, TKO's and such have the wheel way much more forward then evos, torches and others and evos have it a LITTLE more back then torch (dave told me he discovered this when he was first making megaverts and did some measurements) and on rebels and other 2x2's when you take out the front wheel.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:31 am  Reply with quote



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Slicer wrote:
ME, your analysis compares the heels to the whole foot, NOT to the heel itself. They're perfectly 90 degrees with respect to the local area of the heel.
True, the wheels are aligned to the heel, I'm just saying that's now how we stand (with heels pointing perfectly forwards) and that's why I've noticed a lot of beginner heelers struggle to get their feet pointing the way Heelys require them to, and it would be easier if the wheel bays were angled slightly more inward (so the toes could point more naturally a little outward) Smile

So, I agree with the first part of what you said, but I disagree with the last:
Slicer wrote:
Learning how to point your heels straight ahead is a lot easier than learning to point them *just so* in order to go straight.

From when I was first learning to roll straight myself, and from watching many others learn and struggle because of the wheel angle, I'm saying we DID have to learn how to point our heels *just so* when we were first learning, but if the bays were angled slightly more inwards we wouldn't have, but it's noticeable to you now because you've been compensating so long that it feels natural. Smile

But each to their own Smile

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