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Slicer
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:31 am  Reply with quote
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That's "inspire", not "insight". Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:42 am  Reply with quote
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Heely Hailey wrote:
Yeah, I guess thats true. But if there REEEAAALLLLYYYY big no one will know there out of context, they dont even really have to be words!


Slicer - the point is to have the KIDS find the word that's out of context .. not the adults.

And I wasn't going for "inspire" they were supposed to correctly identify that I meant "incite".

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[Fri 12:06] IVI4V3R1CK: hey Merlyn, if you don't mind me asking, whys your name yellow?
[Fri 12:07] merlyn_DHC: Because I'm Chinese
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: (isn't that obvious) ?
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[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: HAHAHA

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Slicer
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:48 am  Reply with quote
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D'oh. I thought you were just trying to be funny again.

I suppose it's a mute point, but for all intensive purposes, incorrect homonyms will be the death nail of good English.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:30 am  Reply with quote
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LOL - are you being inentionally funny now? Cuz I think you mean a homophone (a word pronounced the same as another but differing in meaning, whether spelled the same way or not) and not a homonym (a word the same as another in sound and spelling but different in meaning).

string('insight') not= string('incite')

Its so hard to tell in text when people are being funny. There's so much lost in translation (from speech to typing). So I tend to just overlook mistakes .. God knows I make my share then I'm NOT trying. LOL

Sidetrack story - one time I wrote in the huge report that went to the boss and everything. I repeated used an acronym incorrectly. The correct use for "Service Delivery Team" is obviously "SDT" .. but I kept putting "STD" all over my document. Luckily the report was otherwise technically flawless. And boss had a good chuckle.

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Seth .. STD stands for Sexually Transmitted Diseases.
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Now, you don't know how lucky you have it in English. In Chinese there are usually 3 to 5 common uses of the same phoneme differentiated by minute variation in inflection.

So for instance, the word "rain" can change to mean "fish", or a "preposition", or a "think", or four other less common words. The variation in tone is so slight that most foreigners cannot differentiate the sounds unless they grew up knowing the language.

That's why Cantonese (not Mandarin) is considered one of most difficult languages to learn.

But luckily we have a near exclusive lexicon system. Written words are (almost) never used to mean the same thing (talking traditional Chinese here, not that simplified stuff). And that's why we don't have don't have an alphabet - because the written language is not phonetically based. Its symbolism based characters. The basic character set that kids have to learn by the time they are in Jr High is about 5000 different characters. Try THAT without a base alphabet.

So .. English is a great universal language because it is so easy to learn .. even if imprecise and problematic.

Wow - what a rant.

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[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *looks at Merlyn's finger frenzy score*
[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *face screws up in a combination of amazement and a sort of horror*

[Fri 12:06] IVI4V3R1CK: hey Merlyn, if you don't mind me asking, whys your name yellow?
[Fri 12:07] merlyn_DHC: Because I'm Chinese
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: (isn't that obvious) ?
[Fri 12:08] IVI4V3R1CK: o.o... thats kinda wrong
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: HAHAHA

David: Hey RU there ?
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David: How things ?
H33LYcRaZeD: thongs arte good

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Heely Hailey
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:10 pm  Reply with quote
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lol, you still get hired?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:51 pm  Reply with quote
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Heely Hailey wrote:
lol, you still get hired?


I was hired already at the time .. they didn't fire me if that's what you're asking. And you don't fired for something like that anyways.

That was a long time ago .. but I still remember it cuz it was really embarrassing.

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[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *looks at Merlyn's finger frenzy score*
[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *face screws up in a combination of amazement and a sort of horror*

[Fri 12:06] IVI4V3R1CK: hey Merlyn, if you don't mind me asking, whys your name yellow?
[Fri 12:07] merlyn_DHC: Because I'm Chinese
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: (isn't that obvious) ?
[Fri 12:08] IVI4V3R1CK: o.o... thats kinda wrong
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: HAHAHA

David: Hey RU there ?
H33LYcRaZeD: yeah
David: How things ?
H33LYcRaZeD: thongs arte good

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merlyn_DHC wrote:
Do not harbor under the misapprehension that grandiloquent expository narratives will insight eulogizing amongst lesser learned individuals. It does not.

But keep trying Hailey. Its good thing to be smart.

How did I know you were going to say something like this? =P

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merlyn_DHC wrote:
Seth .. STD stands for Sexually Transmitted Diseases.

That made me laugh.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:52 pm  Reply with quote
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merlyn_DHC wrote:

Seth .. STD stands for Sexually Transmitted Diseases.


i had the talk when i was 9 i know what that means >.>

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cereal187
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:06 pm  Reply with quote



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because the written language is not phonetically based. Its symbolism based characters.

So if you were reading a book and you came to a word (symbol) that you didn't know, would there be anyway to "sound it out" or figure out its meaning?

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string('insight') not= string('incite')

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:06 pm  Reply with quote
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cereal187 wrote:
So if you were reading a book and you came to a word (symbol) that you didn't know, would there be anyway to "sound it out" or figure out its meaning?


Um .. nope .. well .. that's true and not true. Let me try and explain. First of all, you are screwed because there's no way of sounding it out. But you could guess (no way to be sure) because a composite of the lexicon is often used for the sound.

You can also figure out some of its meaning because Chinese is a symbolic and very logical. For instance, consider the word for wood, it looks like a tree.



Now consider the symbol for forest, it looks like a bunch of trees.



So Chinese is very logical. Its built into the core of the language.

MDHZ

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[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *looks at Merlyn's finger frenzy score*
[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *face screws up in a combination of amazement and a sort of horror*

[Fri 12:06] IVI4V3R1CK: hey Merlyn, if you don't mind me asking, whys your name yellow?
[Fri 12:07] merlyn_DHC: Because I'm Chinese
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: (isn't that obvious) ?
[Fri 12:08] IVI4V3R1CK: o.o... thats kinda wrong
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: HAHAHA

David: Hey RU there ?
H33LYcRaZeD: yeah
David: How things ?
H33LYcRaZeD: thongs arte good

Big Mac: to go to camp quality to give lessons and give away hoes
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Heely Hailey
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:08 pm  Reply with quote
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I still find it confusing. Can you still read alot of chinese or just a few symbols
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merlyn_DHC
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:15 pm  Reply with quote
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You have to memorize a lot of Chinese before you can read anything. The base lexicons are around 500 characters .. then you use them to form some 5000 characters.

So in high school I picked up German and French with little problems. Romance languages (languages derived from latin) are much easier.

MDHZ

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[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *looks at Merlyn's finger frenzy score*
[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *face screws up in a combination of amazement and a sort of horror*

[Fri 12:06] IVI4V3R1CK: hey Merlyn, if you don't mind me asking, whys your name yellow?
[Fri 12:07] merlyn_DHC: Because I'm Chinese
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: (isn't that obvious) ?
[Fri 12:08] IVI4V3R1CK: o.o... thats kinda wrong
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: HAHAHA

David: Hey RU there ?
H33LYcRaZeD: yeah
David: How things ?
H33LYcRaZeD: thongs arte good

Big Mac: to go to camp quality to give lessons and give away hoes
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Heely Hailey
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:17 pm  Reply with quote
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I'm in middle school and have memorized 26 characters! Aren't you all proud of me?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:27 pm  Reply with quote
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Very proud .. you can sit down now.

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[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *looks at Merlyn's finger frenzy score*
[Wed 7:53] Slicer: *face screws up in a combination of amazement and a sort of horror*

[Fri 12:06] IVI4V3R1CK: hey Merlyn, if you don't mind me asking, whys your name yellow?
[Fri 12:07] merlyn_DHC: Because I'm Chinese
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: (isn't that obvious) ?
[Fri 12:08] IVI4V3R1CK: o.o... thats kinda wrong
[Fri 12:08] merlyn_DHC: HAHAHA

David: Hey RU there ?
H33LYcRaZeD: yeah
David: How things ?
H33LYcRaZeD: thongs arte good

Big Mac: to go to camp quality to give lessons and give away hoes
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